massaging people on drugs

topic posted Sun, March 26, 2006 - 11:05 AM by  Niko
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if pain suppressants are contra indicated, what about party drugs.

sure, if someone is obviously wigged out, it's contra. what if they seem fine and lie to you and are on lots of shrooms or acid. if they like deep pressure and can't feel the sensations cause they are too high. maybe, keep it light regardless. what about emotionnal release, do party drugs suppress them, enhace them or just make it all "a little different"?

i figure that "we'll just know" that something is just not right and that some people i will just simply refuse.
but.
i am knew to festival massage and was wondering if the experienced bodyworkers of this tribe could bring some insight and anecdotes to this subject.

love and light
niko
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Niko
Vancouver
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  • Re: massaging people on drugs

    Sun, April 9, 2006 - 1:26 PM
    in the past , i used to eat ecstacy and lsd at parties and get massages ALL THE TIME.
    i mean, none of these people were professionals, obviously, but i never was harmed, nor were any of my friends.
    i think its all in good judgement.
    if someone looks intoxicated, use your noggin, go really light , or dont do it at all.

    also, u have to remember that u are a professional.
    who knows if something COULD go wrong?
    then, u are held liable.

    anyone else?? its a good question

    ~kim
  • Re: massaging people on drugs

    Sun, April 16, 2006 - 8:04 PM
    I massage people at a dinner club, and sometimes at big dance parties. At the dinner club, people I massage have been drinking with their dinner all night and are obviously affected by it by the end of the night. I'm sure people have been on other drugs and it wasn't as obvious. I trust my intuition - and I have liability insurance. I don't worry about it too much, unless it is obvious that they are on something. Most counterindications have more to do with a sick, frail, or injured person than they have to do with a healthy person, even under the influence of substances. Usually what is going to happen is that someone will have temporary muscle soreness rather than actual injury from asking to get more pressure during the massage than they otherwise would. The massages I do are for 15 minutes, which, I think, has less potential for injury than a full hour massage.

    If you're more concerned about liability, depending on your set-up during festivals, you can make people fill out release forms which specifically ask them if they are under the influence of alcohol or any other drugs and which advises them that it is not recommended that they get a massage until they are sober. I personally don't have release forms and it would be totally impractical to use them in the situations where I work, but if you have a massage tent or booth, that might be a good idea. Does anyone else here use release forms?
    • Re: massaging people on drugs

      Tue, April 18, 2006 - 3:17 PM

      Well, I have the forms, but have never used them.
      They are better suited for repeat clients.
      Most of my repeat clients are friends, so it never gets brought up.

      It seems awkward in the party atmosphere.
      People tend to "trip" on having to do paperwork when they are out having fun.

      Overall ,high people are fine. When they aren't you know it pretty fast.
      It helps to have an understanding of what substances do to the body, either firsthand or through research.
      Dehydration usually seems to be the biggest issue that gets amplified after any bodywork. Most of the time I send them away with water. But I will do that even if I have not even worked on them.

      I have been doing parties for a few years now and have been thinking about starting to look for insurance.
      In my opinion, a person should be protected when dealing with strangers, especially high ones.
      Just in case they sober up and want to blame you for something they might have done to themselves in another state of mind.
      A more professional approach.

      I saw your mention of insurance.
      Can you offer any direction for a good, affordable carrier.
      Hopefully one that covers energy work, too.
      thanks.
      • Re: massaging people on drugs

        Wed, April 19, 2006 - 12:12 AM
        Could a release form be something as simple as a sign-up sheet with name and a place to initial and the top of the sign up form doubles as a release form? Even that would be out of place at the dinner club I work at, but I can see it potentially working better with a stationary chair or table set-up.

        I use Associated Bodywork & Massage Professionals (ABMP) for my insurance. It's cheap and you get a subscription to "Massage & Bodywork" magazine and annual business guides with your insurance. I think I remember seeing that they insure Energy workers, too, but you'll have to check it out yourself: www.abmp.com.

        I just recently had insurance through the International Massage Association recommended to me - www.imagroup.com. I haven't researched it though.

        If you do decide to get insurance with ABMP, write me and I'll give you my member number. I get credit for referal. :)
      • Re: massaging people on drugs

        Sat, November 8, 2008 - 9:12 PM
        Become an AMTA member and you insurance is included in your membership. If you are doing massage without insurance, you are completely sueable. GET INSURANCE!! Even if you didn't do anything wrong- a liar could cost you tens of thousands of dollars. Be insured. We are professional. AND any barbituates can cause the heart and cardiovascular system to malfunction. If you suspect speed, pcp, or heroine, don't touch them. If they die- you lose!!
  • Re: massaging people on drugs

    Thu, May 11, 2006 - 5:35 AM
    I have been doing Festival Massage for the last 10 years. What I do is ask every single person what they have taken in the last 12 hours. To make them feel more comfortable, I even include asprin in to the question. I assure them that I really do not care what they have take, I am not the police, I just need to know how to perform my massage. Now when they are all strung out I certainly do not touch then, I actually sit them down and talk to them.

    Never assume anything when it comes to the festival goers. The LSD that they too 4-12 hours ago is still being sweated thru their pores and you are absorbing it thru yours. The trip can be turned onto you if you are not careful. If you have more questions on this or anything else related to Festival Massage, please e mail me at Massageandbody@aol.com.
    • Re: massaging people on drugs

      Tue, June 27, 2006 - 12:47 AM
      Interesting thread. I've done some bodywork on people at events where I assumed everyone probably took something. I don't think I ever had anyone approach who didn't look like they were fine, but it's good to be reminded of things like dehydration, and the LSD thing.
      • Re: massaging people while on drugs

        Thu, April 5, 2007 - 6:18 AM
        Oh... never mind...

        L
        • Re: massaging people while on drugs

          Thu, April 5, 2007 - 5:40 PM
          Drugs are simply alternative formats of nutritional manipulation. Some do interfere with the process of both facilitation & acceptance of the body/energy possibilities of massage. Any variety of issue of substance or situational condition of the heartsoulmindbody is part of the whole interaction between any exchange of energy or sensory experience.
          Critical aspect is intention of touch. Is it commited with passion? Compassion? Lust? Love? Positive creative intelligent effort will benefit any & all under all influnce.
          "Love is touch/touch is Love"-John Lennon.
          *Love*Peace*Happiness*
  • Re: massaging people on drugs

    Fri, February 8, 2008 - 10:33 PM
    I don't believe massage can harm anyone. I through out all that contraindicated stuff a long time ago. I have massaged pregnant women, cancer patients etc... I think it's all in how the persons body choses to react to the energy exchange, everyone is different. However there are some level of toxins released during massage, but it's a good thing, even if it seems bad at the time, it's cleansing. I do believe though that massage is best given when someone is fully aware and in the moment, in order to receive the full benefits. I once massaged a girl from an acid trip when I was much younger, she was extremely terrified from the anxiety of the experience. This was before I was even a therapist. She really just needed some comforting and that doesn't take a professional. We all have the gift of touch.
    • Re: massaging people on drugs

      Sun, February 24, 2008 - 3:43 PM
      <I don't believe massage can harm anyone. I through out all that contraindicated stuff a long time ago.>

      You should be very careful with this one. There are a lot of things where contraindicated depends on experience. i think everyone learned that the 'right' direction to do massage in when we first learned was towards the heart. Most later training completely throws that out. Some things should NOT be messed with like skin conditions and heart conditions though. There is a great book out that we have at my office and I was told about in massage school called "A Massage Therapist's Guide to Pathology " that is really good.

      As far as people on drugs things can be really variable. I have known lots of people who think the best thing in the world is a massage on E. In general it is not that dangerous but you need to worry about water consumption and messing up their good time. Excess toxins in the system can run down a body in any state. There is also the situation with any amphetamine where the heart is already taxed so lots more blood being pushed around could stress it more activating other problems. Tripping people can have some very good effects from being chilled out from a massage but then there is the emotional release that may happen.

      In general, I say trust your instincts. If you are not comfortable working with a person, not just at a festival, then it is probably a good idea not to.
      • Re: massaging people on drugs

        Sun, February 24, 2008 - 3:51 PM
        I have both eczema and a heart condition. Through massage and organic oils I have cleared up both my eczema and regulated my blood flow. I was told to go on blood thinners but there are many herbs, essential oils that help with this. I don't dump poisons in my body unless it is a life or death situation. I do not live in a fear ridden mind, that is what stops true healing. When Istart to doubt myself I meditate on what scares me and remember the beautiful miracles or maybe not so much miracles the universe has blessed me with. Almost every school facility will tell you contraindications to save their ass. It is the individuals body that decides how to manifest the energy whether it's for good or bad. It's all in the believer.
    • Re: massaging people on drugs

      Sat, November 8, 2008 - 9:24 PM
      Massage can kill people- it has, and it costs the therapists their financial and emotional well being. If you're not sure, don't do it. If someone is super swollen from congestive heart failure,believe me when I say that the water is better off in their legs than in their lungs or heart. A pregnant woman with toxemia should NEVER be massaged- you could not only kill her baby, but you could kill her too. I've seen it, because I work at a hospital. If you don't know what you are doing, don't do it!! AND too many toxins can over load a liver and kill people. This can happen with too much Tylenol. KNOW WHAT YOU DO!!!
  • Re: massaging people on drugs

    Sun, May 18, 2008 - 11:34 AM
    I have been doing massage -mostly deep tissue - at afterhour parties and in clubs for 10 years.......I am a paramedic as well. I find that the intent to heal or make whole guides my work person to person.

    I have used body work combined with talk to bring people down if they are tripping to hard and been able to bring back the "high waves" when they are at the end of the trip.


    I have worked on tons of people frying without issue. shrooms and x you can level out to help.

    I met my wife in the club scene so I do it to give back to the community that gave her to me.....clubbers or festival hippies need healing even more than people that can pay high dollar. Gotta help keep the party rolling or it all falls apart
  • Re: massaging people on drugs

    Sat, November 8, 2008 - 9:17 PM
    If you aren't sure, don't do the massage. You can be held accountable, especially if you work without knowledge. Never do a massage if you are not sure. You are responsible for them. If you don't want to be responsible, work at kmart.